CUV vs Wagon

"and 100 more" (nth256) 09/15/2016 at 11:42 • Filed to: None

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CUV:

Wagon:

Difference? About 3 inches.

Nibby > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:44

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twss

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:45

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3 inches makes all the difference ;)

and 100 more > Nibby 09/15/2016 at 11:46

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ikr

duurtlang > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:48

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Nope. It’s more than ride hight. The vehicle itself is taller as well. And heavier.

CUV:

Lowered CUV (your picture):

Wagon (but with smaller wheel arches):

Milky > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:49

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So since the Corolla has 3 extra inches in the wheel well is it a CUV?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:49

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and 100 more > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 09/15/2016 at 11:51

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I agree.

and 100 more > Milky 09/15/2016 at 11:52

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Not a wagon, nor CUV.

Though it does look ridiculously tall in that pic.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:53

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CUV: Only because it has ground clearance to deal with deep snow.

Tekamul > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:56

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Still too tall from floor pan to hood/window sill

jimz > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:57

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so which one is this?

Ash78, voting early and often > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 11:58

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For the past few weeks, I’ve been compiling detailed specs on about 30 vehicles to see if we can mathematically define each model. The body height vs ground clearance is already emerging as a big one. Hopefully I can get it written up in all my spare time, which is none this month.

and 100 more > duurtlang 09/15/2016 at 12:00

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Typically, I’d agree, but the Equinox body seems close to a wagon in proportion, as opposed to the previous-gen Equinox:

Or a Saturn Vue:

Or a current Chevy Captiva:

and 100 more > jimz 09/15/2016 at 12:02

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Wagon, in my estimate.

But judging by the floor pan-to- roof window sill height, some would deem it a CUV. I disagree.

and 100 more > Tekamul 09/15/2016 at 12:06

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I disagree, on two elements:

The window sill-to-roof distance, if anything is more indicative of wagon than floor pan-to-window sill. Tall roof seems to define a CUV more than tall height overall.

Also, someone else posted a Ford Freestyle, which was sold as a wagon, but had a tall greenhouse.

and 100 more > Ash78, voting early and often 09/15/2016 at 12:06

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I’m interested to see your results!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 12:08

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Disagree. There’s two types in my books.

The Equinox is an SUV that’s been backed at high speed into a concrete wall. In ther words, it’s a shortened SUV, not a raised wagon.

The Outback, that’s your raised wagon.

and 100 more > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 09/15/2016 at 12:09

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Exactly. Ride height and vertical greenhouse seem to imply “CUV” moreso than anything else. The current Equinox has a greenhouse that is tall, but rides the line between “too tall for a wagon” and “too short for a CUV”.

and 100 more > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/15/2016 at 12:14

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Are you basing the wagon classification on the area behind the rear axle? That would make sense.

Wagon = long cargo area

CUV (or SUV, as you put it) = short cargo area

Right?

I’d say that many CUV/SUVs today have a borderline cargo area size, leaning more toward the “short” end of the spectrum.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 12:21

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I’m not really assigning any hard and fast rule, just looking at the proportions of the bodywork (disregard the wheels). An Equinox is tall and stubby, an Outback is long and thin (comparitively). Basicaly I’m looking at aspect ratio.

I know it’s hard to tell those boxes apart NOW, but now you can scale those boxes in terms of wheelbase and see where you end up...

and 100 more > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/15/2016 at 12:30

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No, i get ya.

I’d disregard everything forward of the front axle from that aspect ratio. But looking at everything aft of the driver’s door, the wagon is more elongated - more rear seat area, and more cargo area. Yeah, those are some critical aspects of a wagon. You make a good point.

That said, in the case of the Equinox (because i don’t think it applies in every case) I’d say it’s borderline, but falls more on the side of a wagon.

Berang > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 13:05

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Has my saab wagon retroactively become a CUV?

Tekamul > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 13:16

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A wagon traditionally is meant to share 90% of its body with a sedan. Both the pan to sill and sill to roof to look sedan-like.

I don’t think CUVs have a large departure in sill to roof distances, like they do for door height. Also, the freestyle is not a wagon, even in Ford’s eyes. It is a cross over.

and 100 more > Berang 09/15/2016 at 13:35

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Nah. I meant this specifically about the Equinox.

IanZ - limited-slip indifferential > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 16:46

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Why does it have to be either?

IanZ - limited-slip indifferential > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 17:04

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False. The Equinox will always be a CUV, no matter the ride height. It’s possible that the dimensions of the Equinox could theoretically be construed as some sort of wagon, but does that really ring true in your heart? Yes the Equinox is more squat than its competitors, but it’s nowhere the proper proportions for a wagon. The greenhouse is too tall, the body is too tall, and there’s no sedan version, which I think 99% of the time is necessary for a wagon to also exist.

Tristan > and 100 more 09/15/2016 at 20:08

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CUV:

Wagon:

and 100 more > Tristan 09/15/2016 at 23:28

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Embrace the future, man. CUVs are here to stay.

Tristan > and 100 more 09/16/2016 at 00:17

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No. Wood paneled, full-size, RWD V8 land yacht station wagons are going to make a comeback! Just you wait!

RT > and 100 more 12/29/2016 at 02:55

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Yeah, they have the same purpose and have similar proportions, plus short wagons exist too (where I live they’re pretty common).